Assra forum paper patched bullets smooth or grooved. I just finished reading the paper jacket by paul matthews and i am intrigued to try my hand at this. Paper patched bullets the curio and relic firearms forum. A beginners guide to loading and shooting paper patched bullets for early black powder cartridge rifles. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. These bullets are normally only seated to around 316 into the case mouth or less.
I know they are used in rifle bullets to achieve higher velocities while using softer lead for. A very general rule of thumb has it that patched dead soft lead can reach 2,000 fps before things go sideways and harder alloys can do 3,000 fps or more. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. They are factory and bulk reloading bullets, in lead, plated and jacketed. Its funny there is only 1 view on this post, since ive only seen a handful of references for paper patched bullets in this cartridge, but i guess there probably isnt that much interest in this old reloading art so oh well.
This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110. With the goal of preventing contact between alloy and bore wall and, perhaps, a reduction in metal cost, i. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and remington rolling block replica bpcr rifles. Loading the black powder rifle cartridge by paul matthews and loading and shooting paper patched bullets by randolph. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load. Once i figured out i didnt need all that velocity for cast to work properly. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Quantity 1,000 loose packed bullet 100 grain round nose flat base rn fb manufacturer berrys. Lube bullets will work in those chambers of course, but there are a few customonly chamber designs that will not shoot, or even chamber, a groove diameter lubed bullet. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. Sep 11, 2016 for the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. I addition to the usual remedies you use when loading black powder cartridge ammunition with grease.
Clean bullets and proper loading technique are essential for both patch types. The paperpatched 400grain bullets were loaded over 75 grains by weight of the olde eynsford 1 12f with a walters. Handloading the 5070 for antique and modern rifles. A beginners guide for learning to load and shoot paper patched bullets by randolph s. How i paper patch my 490 grain pure lead bullets for my 1887 martini henry rifle. Paper patched vs cast bullets british militaria forums. His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. Discussion in reloading started by sharps4050, mar 4, 2012. Titan reloading offers rifle and pistol bullets in many popular calibers like accura, acme, jacketed and clearance bullets. Mar, 2018 the load i used on this hunt and trust in this rifle is my favorite, a 500 gr.
The cast bullet association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or. Grease groove bullets have been the most accurate type so far. Looking at some of the original paper patched bullets in my cartridge collection i noticed they used tallow or bees wax to do. Oct 22, 2008 after having an interest for a long time, i finally decided to make a very small investment and experiment with paper patched bullets. Corbin paper patch and blackpowder bullet swagingreloading. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc. I have no experience with anything but modern rifle reloading. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. I get results i am satisfied with from a grease grove bullets. After testing a series of bullet diameters in four different rifles, two sweet spots. Loading the bullet grooves with grease is not needed with paper patches. Patching tape is 1 wide allowing a tail to be clipped and eventual trimming of the forward end of the patch in. Paper patched jacketed bullets in use with a very low powder load, a reason for the terrible accuracy, a proper load for cast bullets should have been used, even low loads for jacketed bullets can be used research loads carefully on this issue.
Masking tape patched lead bullets carolina shooters club. In the final chapter, he gives a quick summary of what works. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. One of the earlier attempts, which is still popular today with muzzle loaders and users of black. New lube for black powder rifles american shooting journal. Army units in 1866 for use in the model 1866 springfield trapdoor. This is the 50 caliber 640 gn big brother to our 500 gn 45 cal paper patch bullets for lever action rifles also on auction. Earl naramore in his handloading ammunition and the priciples and practices of reloading ammunition cover the subject in its basic form. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below.
Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques. In case you didnt know paper patched bullets allow you to shoot lead projectiles close to the speed of a jacketed bullet. A selection of historic, british military ammunition. I have a older speer reloading book that has some info on just loading the 357 bullets in a 35 casing but i thought one could get better accuracy out of heavy 357. They have a whole forum discussing paper patched bullets. Any of you guys done any playing around with reloading the pp rounds. There is some question about whether the accuracy improvements result from the paper jackets or from the greater uniformity of shooting procedures by people with the patience to apply the patches. I have a new to me 4570 single shot sharps that i am thinking i could load up and pretend i am an old buffalo hunter. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers.
I dont bother to remove hard lube from the bullets. The paper patch bullet is from montana precision swaging and it has a wicked cutting edge or wad cutter type shoulder, which leaves pronounced full caliber holes in paper. As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. The paper i used was plain old letter writing paper. Reloading how to load ammunition for a martini rook rifle in 300 rook reloading how to load ammunition for the 4050 sharps bottleneck using paper patched bullets reloading pan lubing cast bullets presented by larry potterfield of midwayusa. Thats the subject of my book, loading and shooting. Loading and shooting paper patched bullets accurate reloading.
The first try was prompted by another posting here regarding steyr 8x56r carbines which turned out to have a groove diameter. The discharge impulse pressure curve is distinctly different. Wrapping and sizing paper patched bullets for muzzleloaders duration. There is one fellow who shoots yds with his black powser 45 cal rifle and puts them all in the the black. Using paper patched bullets is not something most reloaders have done, watch along as larry potterfield, founder and ceo of midwayusa shows how to cast bullets designed reloading how to load ammunition for the 4050 sharps bottleneck using paper patched bullets on vimeo. It seems to be all the rage on the casting sites ive been looking at, but i cant. Breechloading rifles using brass cartridge cases were invented, with target shooters at first loading by seating a bullet into the rifling like world. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder. I want to play a little bit before i start going to any competitions.
Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110 by tom ball. Id cut a large batch of patches in front of the tv. How in the world would one go about preparing such ammunition today. Quantity 1,000 loose packed bullet 100 grain round nose hollow base. Commonly called bullet tips or projectile tips, and are just one component of what is needed for reloading bullets ammunition. I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle.
The art of paper patching, how to make your paper patched. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a paper patch to obtain top velocities with poured slugs. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and. A paper patch bullet will do anything a grease groove bullet can do, and then some. I have a question of the use of wads under paper patched bullets. Any have experience using paper patched bullets in the. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age. I am thinking about this for a newly acquired gibbs. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. If for instance i wished to reduce a black powder charge in a. Theres not a whole lot of folks shooting paper patched bullets so its difficult to compare notes with someone else. Paperpatched bullets were merely the forerunners of modern jacketed bullets. I lube them with the lube i make for grooved bullets, although many types will work.
It seems to be all the rage on the casting sites ive been looking at, but i cant find any step by step or how to info on it. Provides techniques in use during the 1870s and 1880s with accommodation for some 20th century technology where appropriate. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. Berdan and whitworth rifles used during the civil war and years after, fired paperpatched lead bullets consisting of two turns of moistened paper tightly wrapped around the bullet. As velocity increased and rifling was introduced a problem of lead remaining in the bore was of concern. If your paper is thinner, adjust the bullet accordingly. We are a custom shop specializing in creating premium, hand cast bullets for all handloaders including recreational and competitive shooters. Corbin paper patchblackpower bullet tools corbin swaging.
Reloading how to load ammunition for the 4050 sharps. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a. Never tried breech seating chase patches in the ballard because the throat is not tapered. If you have a question that isnt answered in our bullet information, resources, or faq pages, send an email or give a call.
Gunbroker is the largest seller of reloading supplies ammunition reloading all. You can use any alloy you want for shooting paper patch bullets. Some a bit better than others, but most factory chambered rifles can shoot paper patches quite well. Velocities can be easily pushed over 3000 fps, and often you can get higher velocity with a paper patched bullet than you can with jacketed bullets. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Enter your name, address, and billing information for prompt shipment. They are bullet components, not ready to fire ammunition. I also made a patching jig so that the paper on the bullets were all the same. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data.
Ive shot chase patches in my muzzle loaders and my 4050 ballard. Get bulk bullets reloading and bullet tip us reloading. This big 640 grain bullet is cast in a bhn9 alloy and patched to your choice of. Pretty much any chamber will shoot paper patched bullets. Paper patching is an evolutionary stage in bullet development that resulted in the jacketed bullet. These are new bullets reloading projectiles or bullet tips, none have been pulled or reused. Shoot em the way they were originally designed to be shot, with black powder and paper patched bullets. Chase patches have been more accurate than wrapped paper patched bullets for me. The paper does not require lubrication in the bore but it will require some to seat the bullet without tearing the paper and it helps to keep the edge of the paper tearing or trying to unravel in the finished cartridge. Reloading paper patched bullets the anser to this inquiry came from the pastas they often do. Here is a formula that works great in 90% of the guns. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets.
Specific bullet prepaper diameter, paper weight and powder charge would be appreciated. Bullets that are over bore size and patched will shoot but you will get leading because the patches will be cut when shooting the bore to lead. Harrison and the staff at the american rifleman worked with paperpatched bullets in the. Ive been shooting paper patch bullets for a long time and find that milk cartons make good wad material and spg lube wad of about. A simple wipe with a paper towel to clean grit and lube from the driving bands. Lots of advantages, especially compared to grease groove bullets. Manual for step by step procedure to reload target quality ammunition using paper patched bullets.
If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. My heart wants to reload black powder paper patch rounds but my brain say grease groove smokeless. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45. Jul 10, 2008 regular paper especially for patching can be gotten from buffalo arms co. Reloading paper patched bullets with the accuracy potential of cast.
Handloading the 5070 for antique and modern rifles by croft barker most single shot aficionados are aware of the fact that the fiftyseventy government cartridge was first issued to u. Or, print your order after entering your address, attach. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline. In fact i may be the only one in the world shooting paper patched bullets from a. This last pic is of a 100yd five shot group from a 224 cal rifle. Loading paper patched bullets montana bullet works. Berdan and whitworth rifles used during the civil war and years after, fired paper patched lead bullets consisting of two turns of moistened paper tightly wrapped around the bullet.